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Hey nomads.
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Welcome to Digital Nomad Stories, the podcast.
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My name is Anne Klaassen and, together with my co-host, kendra Hasse, we interview digital nomads.
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Why?
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Because we want to share stories of how they did it.
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We talk about remote work, online business, location independency, freelancing, travel and, of course, the digital nomad lifestyle.
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Do you want to know more about us and access all previous episodes?
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Visit digitalnomadstoriesco.
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All right, let's go into today's episode.
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Hey, hey nomads.
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Welcome to a new episode of Digital Nomad Stories.
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Today I have an interview in person, which I'm super excited about.
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Most of our interviews are remotely, but today I'm sitting here with Amelie Rufka.
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She is my fellow co-library here in Valencia, where I am at the moment, and I'm super excited to sit down with her and ask her a little bit more about her nomad life, about her job in Healthcare Tech, what she does kind of like travel stories.
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Very excited to have you here today, emily.
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Thank you so much.
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I'm so excited to be here.
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This is the first podcast I've ever been on.
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Ooh yay.
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Well, can you tell me a little bit more about what you do, Because I just mentioned that you work in healthcare tech for an American company.
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But what do you do exactly?
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What's daily life?
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Yeah, so I'm a product manager.
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So basically that means I'm kind of a go-between between the software engineers, the development team and really everyone else in the business, so helping filter making decisions, helping filter conversations of how things could be built, like for the website, how they could not be built, timelines, really everything.
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So it's kind of similar to project management, just in a different way, concentrating on just products usually and just usually handling, like I said, different kinds of little things.
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Okay, yeah, cool, awesome.
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And what does your day look like here?
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While you're in Valencia, do you work US hours?
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yeah, so I do work US hours out.
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My company is US remote, like fully remote.
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There's no brick and mortar office, so what that means is I can choose any US times I want to work from, anytime, so I do fluctuate a little bit just depending on where I am.
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So when I'm here in Europe right now, I'm working essentially New York hours, east Coast, so I'm starting at 2, 2.30 and I end it by 11.30, usually, okay.
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And do you like that?
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work schedule.
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I honestly do.
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I like having my mornings.
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I don't like feeling rushed in my mornings, like when I was home in Texas and I had to actually start by like 8.30 to 9, I was miserable because I don't know how people do it.
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You just get up and start working.
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It's terrible.
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So, yeah, like to have time to go to the gym, like wake up proper, you know, get ready for the day.
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If I'm doing touristy things, go do them in the morning or, like you know, little day trips.
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There's, just it's nice having so much time in the day for other things other than work.
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Yeah, I absolutely agree with you.
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Yeah, I recently well, relatively recently, I think it's already last year that I changed this.
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But I used to work with you as, so I work with you as clients.
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But I used to work just like regular kind of like nine to five business hours in europe.
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But every time I just really felt behind because I would open my computer in the morning and I was like a ton of emails, my inbox would be full and everyone would just email me during their day and then, yeah, I don't know.
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So every time when I started work I was like, oh, I'm already behind.
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So then I switched it when I was flying home from US time zones and then I was like you know what, I'm gonna try how this is.
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You know, morning for me, just doing whatever I want, just relax and then then start work.
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I love it too.
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I think it's such a good schedule, also because you have, in the morning, energy to do the things that are important for you and you don't like waste that energy to work.
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I mean, even as a business owner, I feel like I can say that.
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Exactly, I honestly feel like doing the gym and everything in the morning for me gives me energy for the day.
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Yeah, I don't know if people might disagree with that, but so I, yeah, I completely agree and honestly, I don't know if this is the same with you, but a lot of my people are West Coast, so the first two hours of my day here like 2.30 to 4.30, are completely focus time for me, so I can get a lot of stuff at work done before the chaos of meetings.
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So that's really convenient.
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Yeah, so do you ever feel like you're missing out on evening activities?
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Because I know that here in valencia, here in the co-living, you know there's usually a lot going on in the evenings, like fun things to do, dinners, things like that.
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Or are you okay with that as like a trade-off?
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um, yeah, it's definitely trade-offs.
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Don't get me wrong.
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I have fomo and sometimes, of course, I'd really like to go to dinners, happy hours, whenever it is.
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Sometimes I try and just make them happen anyway, just take my lunch or whatever, just sneak away from work for like an hour and a half or something.
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But, um, yeah, trade-offs like that's, I feel, like just with any schedule and anything.
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That's just how it is.
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So, yeah, I don't know, I don't, I'm okay with it at this point okay, yeah, so I also would love to learn a little bit more about how you got here.
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You know, I know that you've traveled a lot already.
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Can you kind of take me through how it was?
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Just living in the US, probably having a job there, or did you already have a remote job before you started traveling?
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Or you know how did that all happen?
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Yeah, so okay, or you know how did that all happen?
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Yes, so okay, I'd say it started I was living in california, um, and I had a normal office job at that point.
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This is pre-pandemic.
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So I did my first like digital nomad thing in september of 2019, so by that time I'd been working.
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I knew I wanted to some version of this life.
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So I worked to get a role within the same company that I knew I could do that with.
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So I finally got that role, got settled, you know, proved myself and then asked for permission to go away to Argentina for like I think it was five weeks.
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So that you know, I got that, no problem, did it?
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Absolutely fell in love and kind of, for me, that was the beginning of the end of like I'm doing this.
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I didn't know I got that no problem, did it?
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Absolutely, fell in love and kind of, for me, that was the beginning of the end of like I'm doing this.
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I didn't know that I'd be full time at that point, but I knew that I would continue doing it and of course I had an apartment in San Diego, you know all the things.
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So paying double rent was not great at that point.
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Yeah, so it had to also be like financially strategic.
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But then then I mean, what was it?
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Six months later, the pandemic hit, so that that, of course, one stalled me from doing anything further.
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At that point, however, on the job side, everyone went remote.
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So that was the beginning of meeting remote with that job, like unconditionally.
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Yeah.
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So honestly, I think it was a year later, it was February of 22, I don't know, time is hard.
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One of those, it doesn't count, it was Kobe years.
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I thought it was Kobe years.
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I feel like 21.
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I feel like it was 21.
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Yeah, I just, I didn't even ask for permission at that point, I just left and I went to, and I went to Columbia, yeah for uh, for like two months with the same job that I had, you know again at that point.
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So I used to work in healthcare staffing in the States and it was freaking bonkers Like I was working like 50 hours a week at least for years straight.
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So I think also then, yeah, like they didn't care because things were getting done, yeah, it was bonkers, so yeah.
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So I think also then, yeah, like they didn't care because things were getting done, yeah, it was bonkers, so yeah.
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So I just left.
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And then when I was away in Colombia, basically the owner of my apartment wanted to sell it.
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So I was kind of the universe to me anyway, being like, okay, this is, this is the time.
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So I put all my stuff in storage and I started full-time nomading.
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At that point, Like I drove my car to Texas from California with all my whatever possessions I wanted to keep, yeah and yeah.
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And then I left to Italy and, again, didn't tell anyone.
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I just went to Italy, did not tell anyone, for my work.
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It was beginning of June by that point and I remember having a call with my manager.
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And I remember having a call with my manager and I was just like, yeah, I'm in Italy and that's how it happened.
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Okay, yeah, I was like this is what's happening, okay.
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Okay, so this was for a different company than what you work for now, correct?
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And then when did you make the change to the company you work for now?
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Yeah, so it was kind of a journey.
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So I really hated that work.
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I honestly did it for so long because I could do whatever I wanted to and I could travel, and you know what I mean.
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Good money it allowed for the lifestyle.
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So I did it for way longer than I should have the next year, which I guess was 2022.
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Yeah, at that point I was like not mentally well because, again, still working so much overtime because it's healthcare care, you know a lot of things are still happening with the pandemic and so I finally resolved I need to quit my job so that I was on this three month plan, to you know, to quit it.
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I quit it in the summer, did a bunch of things in the states to to accommodate for that, and then I took a year off.
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I didn't work for a year was freaking amazing.
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I literally my last day of my notice was I don't work for a year.
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It was freaking amazing.
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I literally my last day of my notice was I don't know, we'll say August 2.
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And then the next day I flew to Bali the next day.
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Yeah, I was like, let's go to Bali Eat play love moment, Exactly, Exactly so, yeah, so I didn't work for a year, but the purpose of that was to really like chill out but also figure out what I wanted to do in life as an adult.
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Yeah so then I just met a lot of product managers along the way, a lot of foreign ones, and so I just I have no idea why, but I just have this realization of like what the heck is this profession?
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What do these people do?
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So I just started asking them.
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I started diving into the internet, researching you know all the things.
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Through that, decided to get more education.
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So I did like a boot camp kind of thing.
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Cool yeah, which I could still do remote.
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I was literally.
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I was in like Africa doing it.
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Cool yeah, what's a boot camp called?
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The company was called Career Foundry.
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Okay yeah, so it was like a three-month thing.
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So I did that.
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Finish it got a job a month later, but I have a job that I currently have now, yeah, awesome.
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So, and here I am and here we are sitting and co-living in Valencia living the life.
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It's kind of funny.
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I went to Colombia um, this was last summer because I had done a bunch of applications I mean, oh my gosh, like maybe 125 applications by that point.
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Wow, just because and tech was, you know, on the American anyway, they were doing a lot of layoffs, so it was pretty competitive.
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So I went to Columbia kind of in the mindset of like just going to, I'm just going to take the summer off, I'm just going to do it, yeah, like I'm just going to take the summer off.
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Yeah, like I just bought a job and I signed up for this ayahuasca retreat and I literally again the universe, I got these really serious multiple interviews with these two companies right before the ayahuasca retreat.
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So then I had to tell these companies I'm not available for a week.
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So I was like, yeah, I'm going to a wellness retreat, yeah, I'm going to be frothed up in ayahuasca, but yeah, but despite that, I even had to do one interview during the ayahuasca retreat oh my God, ridiculous.
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Not with my current company, gosh, which should have been the sign.
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Yeah, but yeah, so anyway.
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So that was kind of funny how that worked out.
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It was like done with it and like doing this, you know, spiritual retreat, and they're like nope, we're going to give you a job now.
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Interesting, very, very interesting, cool.
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Well, so cool to hear that it all kind of worked out that way and also that you learn about product management by meeting people who are doing it.
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Yeah, so just like it sounds like you started traveling but you had your eyes and ears open for opportunities and just seeing them everywhere.
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Right, talking to people.
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Oh, I could do that, I could do that, how can I do that?
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And then taking a bootcamp that you can do remotely while living your travel lifestyle.
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I think that's really really interesting.
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Thanks, inspiring too, actually.
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Oh, thank you.
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Yeah, you took the steps to make that happen.
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And how was that?
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First month when you went to Argentina, how was it?
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In terms of you mentioned that you wanted to do this lifestyle for a while.
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Right, it was, it was on your mind and then you took that step.
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Finally, in Argentina, was it different than you expected, or was it everything you hoped for, or you know?
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Can you tell me a little bit more about your experience there?
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yeah, it was absolutely everything I hoped for.
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Um, it was insane.
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So, of course, it was my first experience.
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There was no balance, it was, it was.
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It was very hectic.
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I tell people that I have the craziest wine tolerance now because I drank bottles of wine every day, at least in Argentina.
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But I mean, it was amazing.
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It made these amazing connections.
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I had so much fun.
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Again, it was like a little bit, it was definitely actually more party mode than ever any other time in my life and doing this lifestyle because it was the first one and it was just so exciting.
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But I mean, like I bawled, crying when I had to get in the taxi and go to the airport and leave because it was so just immensely fulfilling, yeah, yeah.
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That's so cool.
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Did you just go there by yourself, like booked an Airbnb and just went there, went to some social events, or did you go with a company?
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Yeah, so I actually went with a nomad company called Hacker Paradise, oh okay.
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So basically, yeah, they curate these specific timeline programs all over the world at different times of the year.
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So this was, um, so I only went for four weeks there.
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They do their structure a bit different, but yeah, so there was all these other people mostly americans, to be honest, yeah, unfortunately.
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Yeah, during that they were doing the same purpose.
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Yeah, so we're all in the same accommodation, the same building, we all have kind of the same hours, but again the same goals and like wanting to experience and wanting to really like live each day very fully and do yeah, have the wine, go eat the food.
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Yeah, go do the tourist thing.
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It's so interesting.
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I think most people who came on a podcast, including you know myself have had this where when you start the nomad life, it is so exciting and I traveled really fast and I wanted to see everything, do everything, meet everyone, because I really felt like this is my chance, you know, like this is this is it.
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And I felt like, you know, I should enjoy it as long as I can.
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But then over time I realized, hey, you know what I can actually keep enjoying this, like there's no rush, yeah, because it is actually something that I can do in a sustainable way and I don't have to go quote unquote home, yeah exactly.
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Yeah, so that was so interesting, interesting and so interesting to hear that you also went all in on that.
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Yes, oh my gosh, that was the most insane nomad travels, if you will, that I've ever done.
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I mean, again, it makes sense, it was the first time, but so unsustainable oh my gosh, it was.
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It was so wild but fun, yeah, yeah, very cool.
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So then the next time you went, were you like, okay, I need to do things differently and even better, or did it take?
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a few more times.
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We have to remember the next time I got out, if you will, was post-pandemic in Colombia, so at that point everyone's just like scratching at you know the like doors to get out, and so it was a little crazy too.
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Not as crazy, yeah, but pretty crazy, yeah, yeah.
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Do you feel like you felt more balanced now, now here in conancio?
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oh, yeah, I mean at this point, this is just my life, like it's just normal life.
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So there's, no, I don't, and this kind of feeds into that.
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You know, when iOMO for the dinners and such, it's just, I constantly remind myself that this is just my life.
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Yeah, so I don't really feel bad or remorseful or anything like that, because there's so much positive that comes from it.
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So it's okay.
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Yeah, it doesn't bother me?
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Yeah, I think that's also.
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You know, I also sometimes have calls and evenings that I have to skip dinners for that reason, and then I also have to remind myself, you know, this is how I can be here in the first place, like without these calls, I wouldn't have my income and I wouldn't be able to be here for sure yeah it's.
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It is a trade-off.
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Yeah, and I'm like, oh, I could go back to Texas.
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No, absolutely not.
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Not an option.
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Yeah, no, what else did you learn in the past few years of nomading?
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Because it's you know.
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You've done quite a few trips now and like full time for a while as well.
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Different things, like full time for a while as well, different things.
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So one and you could probably relate this to let to this and very much a minimalist as far as like physical items and such.
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Yeah, I rarely go shopping because where would you put it right?
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But yeah, I just don't really have too much concern or value on um things.
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Yeah, definitely more experience heavy, definitely more.
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Yeah, spending time with people, spending time seeing things, really taking in the city and the culture and all those things I've learned about myself that I, I have a significant part of me that, like, really really needs emotional connections with people, and so that's something and this is that's something that the co-live, you know, really helps with as far as traveling.
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So, yeah, I hate what do you call it?
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Small chat?
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I can't stand it.
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Obviously it's required to get to know someone.
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But I really live for really getting to know people and having those little moments that you never can plan, that are like passing by, or you're sharing a meal in between work or you get a coffee that you have can plan, that are like passing by, or you're sharing a meal in between work or you get a coffee, that you have those little moments where you just learn the best things or learn about the best connections that you have with people and like really enrich your soul.
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Yeah, yeah, I absolutely agree, and I think co-living is great for it, because you're kind of forced to spend a lot of time with the same people, which sounds like a negative, but I see that as really a positive, because, you know, a few months ago I was in Las Palmas and I was not in a co-living, I just stayed in an Airbnb and I went to events.
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There were a ton of events, but then I would go to an event, meet people, and I was like, oh, these people are quite cool, and then I would never see them again.
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And then in the next event there are completely different people, or maybe like one or two that I met the time before, but you spend like two or three hours together and then that's it.
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Everyone goes their own way, and I think it's so cool that in a co-living you just keep spending time together, so like you spend a few hours together now and then tomorrow, I don't know you see each other again in the kitchen and you have.
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You know, yeah, it's really short conversation, but it all kind of like works together and into knowing someone really, really well, and it's also quite a unique way of getting to know someone where you literally live together yeah, and see their lifestyle from up close yeah, I love it.
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It's so funny.
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After I think it was the Argentina one I had such a new understanding.
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Okay, so you know those reality shows where they put everyone in a house.
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I mean, that is what we're landing on Right, I forgot.
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I can't even name one right now, but I had such a new.
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Like Big Brother.
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Yeah, sure.
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I hadn't really watched it, but yeah, I had such an understanding for how that happens, how I had such an understanding for how that happens, how, like you know the relationships, one week they're like, oh my God, I love you, let's be together forever.
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I was like, oh my God, I get it Because it fast tracks everything.
