Leveraging Time Zones To Prioritize Passion Projects As A Digital Nomad

Hey Nomads, welcome to Digital Nomad Stories, the podcast. My name is Anne Claessen and, together with my co-host, Kendra Hasse, we interview digital nomads. Why? Because we want to share stories of how they did it. We talk about remote work, online business, location and dependency, freelancing, travel and, of course, the digital nomad lifestyle. Do you want to know more about us and access all previous episodes? Visit digitalnomadstories. co. Alright, let's go into today's episode. Hey, hey, nomads, welcome to a new episode. Today I'm here with Kelly McPike and she is my colleague. Actually, we work together at Cashflow Podcasting, so she is the production manager at Cashflow Podcasting, but she's also an author and, of course, digital nomad. That's why she's on the show today with us. So, kelly, welcome, thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, so can you tell us a little bit more about what you do exactly? I know that I already touched on it, but can you tell me more what your days look like?

Sure, so I try to spend my mornings writing, working on my creative work, so my book time is usually in the morning. I live in Europe, so the time zone works out nicely for that and then once about 3 or 4 pm hits, then I jump into podcast manager mode and I work on that through the rest of my day.

Yeah, awesome. So you're in Europe. Can you share where you are?

I'm currently in Banskoe, bulgaria. I've been here for almost two months, my second time here. It's a great town. It's got a wonderful nomad community and it's beautiful. It's surrounded by mountains, so highly recommend to my fellow nomads out there.

I heard so much about it. I think it's also where Banskoe Nomad Fast is and everything. I've done several interviews where people were physically in Banskoe at the time and every time I'm like oh yeah. I want to go there in summer. I want to go there in summer and every summer I just end up not going. So I feel like I need to go.

That's okay. Maybe I'll hold you too at this summer. I'll be like Ann. Where are you in the world? Why are you not there?

Yeah, why are you not there? Because you decided to come back there, so it must have had a really good first experience there.

Yeah, I came from here last summer accidentally overlapped with Nomad Fast. I didn't even know that was happening, but I had heard a ton of people talk about Banskoe and I was like I want to check it out so I came here. I think I got here maybe three days before Nomad Fast started and then it was just tons of people. It was so fun and just happened to be here at the same time as a friend I made in Colombia, so we linked up and met all kinds of people and it was super fun.

Cool, that sounds really good. Yeah, gali, how long have you been nomadding?

This time it's been a little over a year. I was also nomadding for about five years before and then landed in the States for a few years. My niece was born and I'm a big sucker and I was like I need to be around for a little longer. So yeah, I stayed in the States for a few years and then COVID hit, so that kind of stops of travel. But I restarted travel at the beginning of last year and I've been nomadding ever since.

Awesome, it's been good. Yeah, so if you say five years and then a few years in the United States and then now another year, so you've been nomadding for a while, you were one of the earlier ones earlier digital nomads than I think, right, I think so.

I didn't know about digital nomadding as an option. It didn't occur to me that I could live in different places until it landed in my lab. My previous boyfriend was working for a company and that company had offices in Valencia, spain and Seattle Washington. And his boss talked about how he lived half the year in Spain and half the year in Washington and we were like, wait, what you can do that. So that opened our eyes and we were just hooked immediately and started traveling everywhere we could. And yeah, I don't know if I'll ever get over with my travel bug. It's been going strong for a while.

Yeah, exactly so when you made that move to live part of the year in Valencia, how did you do that? Did you have a job in the States and could you do that remotely, or did you have to look for a new job, or how did that go?

I had to look for a new job because at that time I was an infant toddler teacher, so that was a super location-dependent job. So I ended up.

You cannot take all the kids with you Exactly.

It would have been fun to have a little field trip to Spain. But yeah, I had to re-figure out my life from there, but I studied abroad when I was in college in Spain, so immediately when the opportunity would go back to Spain came up, I was fully on board. And then I got an online job working for a cabin rental company where I wrote up their cabin descriptions and their emails and things like that. So that really worked out nicely. And then eventually became a podcastion Earthwriter a lot of writing in my life and then ended up becoming the manager for a cash flow. It all worked out very nicely but yeah, it took a little adjusting at first.

Yeah, I know that from experience, but also from a lot of people coming on the show, a lot of people who ask me this question, like how do you land that first remote job? How did you land that first remote job writing the descriptions for the cabin rental? Like where did you find it and how did you actually get it?

I was really lucky the appointment at the time that I mentioned who had the job that split its time between Spain and Washington. He had another client that he was working with who owned the cabin rental company and he was looking for a writer and he was like, well, my girlfriend writes and I genuinely think he only gave me a shot because he just was really happy with my mom's work at the time and then he just gave me a chance and it worked out and he liked my writing and, yeah, I came on board as a contractor for him. I know that may not be particularly helpful because I was really lucky, but yeah, it was just a really convenient connection at that point.

Yeah, so I think the lesson here is use your network and see who knows someone to them Exactly, maybe able to hire you and give you a shot. Because, yeah, that's I think that is honestly the best way to get into it, because you just need one person to give you a shot and then you have that experience and you can use it to get the next remote job or whatever the next opportunity, what it may be, yeah for sure. Socializing. So you mentioned that you were already a writer back then. Did you already write books or was it more of a hobby compared to what it is now? Can you share more about, like, when did your writing begin? And, yeah, how did it evolve from back then to now?

I have been interested in writing short stories, poems, song lyrics pretty much as long as I can remember. But I started writing books probably about a year before I started nomadding. I started working on my first novel and that one. I am admittedly a slow writer so that one took me about three years but I had started that project then and I found it really helped that traveling and changing scenery really helped to trigger a lot of creativity in me. So that was a really nice shift for me and I'm really energized by travel and new locations and just my finding my new little coffee shops and writing spots. It excites me and it reinvigorates me.

So traveling if I talks that a lot- yeah, do you also take places that you visit and then have them in your books? Do some of the places in your books, maybe not literally, but are they inspired by, like very inspired by places that you travel to?

Absolutely. There have been places that I've seen and just thought were beautiful and I'll try to rework it so that it all makes sense. Like you said, it's not exact location but ideas, and like architecture and descriptions and things like that, I definitely pull from travel Very cool.

Do you think you would also be a writer if you would not travel? Can you imagine not having that inspiration and then still writing?

I think I was going to be a writer, no matter what happened. Honestly, yeah, it's in me and I feel frazzled if I go too long without writing. But I do find that my inspiration. It just seems to get refreshed every time I have a brand new place where I've got landed and I can relearn my routine and things like that. But I honestly don't know if I could have made it out writing, even if I never became a nomad. It's just in there and I can't fight it.

Yeah, but it sounds like the traveling part has that too right. You've been doing that for so long, you've visited so many different places and you said that you still have the travel bag, so it sounds like that.

It was also Absolutely. I think that's pretty ingrained in me too. I moved around a lot when I was a kid. By the time I was nine years old I'd moved nine different times. I went to boarded elementary schools. I was always bouncing around, so traveling doesn't seem that crazy to me. I suppose traveling so often and honestly, I started to feel a little like off. When I was in the state for three years I was like when am I going to go somewhere new?

And.

I started to acquire more things because right now when I travel, I have just my carry-on suitcase in my backpack. So when I started to acquire more things, I was like what's happening? It's just so strange. I was so used to just traveling with my little tiny suitcase. I do think, yeah, I'm just more comfortable bouncing around and exploring.

Yeah, when you say carry-on backpack, how big is your backpack? Do you have any check baggage or is it really just only what you can take on the plane?

Yes, I don't check bags because realize, when I first went to Spain I had two giant suitcases. I had everything that I thought we think of and I just didn't use most of it. So when I started traveling again I tried to really downsize and it happened in phases. It wasn't just go from having a full apartment of stuff to now I'm down to one suitcase in a backpack. It happened in phases, for sure, but I've gotten to the place where it is just my carry-ons essentially, and it's a fun challenge to have my packing down to a science where I can sit everything in every little nook and cranny, know exactly where everything goes, and if I want to buy something new I have to boot something. It's like Tetris. Yeah, exactly, it really does feel like that every time I pack. It's fun to challenge myself in that way and only travel with just the very necessary things and you'd be surprised how much stuff you don't need that you think you need.

Yeah, yeah, that's also true. So the last trip that we did was six months, and I also only had hand luggage, so no check bags until I came back. Though On the way back, it's just I don't know what happened there. I actually do know what happened because we went to colder climates and I just had to buy sweaters and just like clothes. So, yeah, I went a little bit overboard with that and had just a full suitcase on the way back, and then I was like what? I was going to buy two sweaters. And here we are.

But winter clothes are a whole different story with fitting them in all my stuff I fit it. As for, like warm climates, if I had to pack sweaters there's no way I could do it with just the carry on.

So I get it Exactly, and I did realize how easy it was to travel, be it to just go to the airport you don't have it's one line that you don't have to be in, so that saved time. It saved money on literally every single flight that we didn't have to book extra luggage, so that was great. But yeah, it was a little bit of a struggle for me personally, but then it was also very easy and I had the exact same thing my first trip. I had a huge backpack. I couldn't even lift it and that was a problem.

Yeah, I could see that it was a challenge.

That was definitely a problem. I was like next time I will go with half the stuff and twice the money. That was what I said. That's what I did, because it makes so much sense, because if you need something, you can just buy it, compared to just carrying it around the whole time, and then you might just need one week and then it's in your backpack the whole time.

So yeah, that definitely makes sense. How did you find it, though, when you went with just the carry on stuff, did you feel like liberated, did you feel like you actually don't need all this stuff, or did you live a life of regret?

At the start, definitely liberated at the end of my trip, at the end of those six months, but I was definitely struggling a little bit more. But I think that also had a lot to do with that. I was really working on my health and fitness and I worked with a personal coach who then also made me buy very funny story he made me buy this TRX that you can hang on the door and that you can do all these exercises with, which is great, it works great, awesome. But he said and I said I don't know if that fits in my suitcase. What is that thing? And he said, oh no, it's really small, you can just fold it and it will definitely fit in your suitcase. I got this TRX thing and it's not that small. It has all these handles and things and it's also quite heavy. It makes sense because otherwise you have these handles in your hand and you're lying on the floor. So I was like this is not great. So it actually. And he also made me drink protein shakes again. Yeah, works great. But I also had to carry around that stuff. So that was also yeah, that focus on health and fitness and then also that minimalist lifestyle didn't go that well together, but especially at the start, it was amazing, it was great to just lift my own suitcase.

Yeah, I think 90% of the appeal for me really is just the ease of getting around with only the one suitcase that you're wheeling through the airport, and because I'm always running late sprinting to the airport. If I had my double giant suitcases it's a different thing. And checking bags and dealing with that, I've had my luggage get lost and so I'm a little jaded.

So I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to keep it with me. But I know there are some conveniences that you have to like. Yeah, I'm not thinking, I am.

I watch it like a hawk and I'm all set. But there are conveniences that you have to let go for sure. Yeah, definitely, and sometimes I do miss them.

Yeah, how long do you usually stay in one place? Do you really move around a lot? Do you move every few weeks, every month? You mentioned that you're in Bansko for two months now, so what is your usual time in one place?

Initially it was about three months, Basically as long as I can stay before my visa runs out was my aim. But when I'm coming back to places that I've been, sometimes I like to have little shorter stays, Because when I first get somewhere I want to see all the things and do all the things and one month doesn't ever feel like enough. Because I am working during the week. I really only have the weekends to see everything and you just feel like you run out of time so quickly. So I like to aim for having at least eight weekends if I can, If it's somewhere that I can stay without having my visa run up and they boot me. But I like to do a little bit of slower travel. I think every few weeks. I would just be too tired and you have to relearn your routine and where you're going to go to set up for work and where your a-hands are going to be, and that does take a minute to get into a new routine. So I think that would just be my life constantly. If I traveled too quickly Would just be me figuring out where the Wi-Fi work.

Or what is the best setup. Exactly when does the Wi-Fi work? That's it. It's clutch, you can't tell that I had in Colombia. We rented an Airbnb for a full month in Santa Marta and we get there. I even ask like, how is the Wi-Fi? Can I work remotely? Yeah, no problem, and we arrive, and I could even not even email, Like absolutely nothing. Oh yeah, that's rough. So yeah, sometimes to figure out, we also ask OK, so Wi-Fi is not working, this is useless, will this change? And they're like nope, this is just what it is, ok, cool.

Oh no, just at that place. Or were you able to find somewhere outside of Airbnb? That was good? Or was it just a struggle all around?

I went to a co-working space, Otherwise you had to miss me for a full month. In what month I was in?

I don't know two months ago. That would have been not ideal.

Hey, clients, I cannot work for a month. No, yeah, I'll be on the beach, good luck. Good luck with the podcast launches. Exactly OK, so usually a few months and then, when you return to a place a little bit shorter, how often do you go back to places that you've already been, versus exploring new places? Because you've been doing this for so long? Are there still new places to explore?

Oh, absolutely. But I also fall in love with places. So I always want to go back. Valencia, Spain. I've been there four different times. I just I love it there and I think it's one of my favorite cities in the world. So I will probably always end up back there at some point. But other places where you find good community, it is nice to go back. And then when you hear other nomads that you've met and they tell you we're all going to be here, I just want to go, be part of the fun again. So that was part of my motivation for coming back to Banthgo, because a bunch of people were here and I was like I want to hang out with you guys too, and it's just. It's a great town, it's a great place, and it's small enough that I have no sense of direction, so that's very helpful for me that I can get around easily. Ironically, my sense of direction is horrible. And yeah, just seeing some of the same faces is nice, Because when you nomad it is hard to keep a solid social circle. So sometimes it is nice to come back to familiar people and have stronger bonds than just I've known you for a few weeks and then I'm leaving again. So I do miss the community element and that tends to draw me back.

Yeah, what are some other places where you found really good community?

What's saying you? My partner and I were just in Antigua, guatemala, and really loved it there. I think pretty much anywhere with a co-working or a co-living setup it's catered to that. But in Antigua we found the people were super friendly. We found this coffee shop that we loved and they just became friends of ours Because we were just always there. I am a big creature of habit, so when I find a coffee shop I love, I will, I will pack every single day and they'll know exactly where I sit and what I'm going to order every day. It's just that's my set of routine amongst all the change. But Antigua was great. It had a lot of nomads, a lot of meetup opportunities that were really nice. People who just want to grab a drink on a rooftop and watch some volcanoes erupt. It was just fun and easy. So that was a very cool experience. I have to say I'd never just sat on a rooftop, sit in a margarita and saw a volcano erupt, but it was. Yeah. I highly recommend yeah that sounds really cool. Antigua was a really cool spot. Yeah, just around the vibe of volcanoes that there's one that erupts like every 15 minutes or so, so you'll see ash spewing and then, once the sun goes down, you can actually see the orange lava. It's really really cool.

And also crazy that you can just sit there and just have a drink and watch that, like there's not even hiking included or anything.

Yeah, you can just see it from town and they do have hikes where you go and you get closer. So we did one of those and that was a crazy experience. It's so cool. But at first I was a little nervous because they were like I think I'm erupting and I was just kind of looking around thinking is anybody concerned about that? I shouldn't be doing anything. But they said they get nervous when it doesn't erupt like every 15 minutes because then that means the pressure spilled. They happen to be a crazy explosion. So as long as it's going off, everything's cool, everybody's happy. But that was the first for me. I had never been in that situation where walking out was just going crazy, but it was really cool.

Yeah, awesome. Okay, so Antigua goes on the bucket list for sure.

I highly recommend Antigua Ching Mai. Thailand has a great nomad community. A lot of people are there and there's a place at least there was when I was there called Camp, where you can find all your fellow nomads camped out with the Wi-Fi. It's in the top of mall and just another really beautiful place where you can find a good bit of nomads Ubud and Bali, another place where you see a ton of nomads. Those are the ones that pop into my head first. Yeah, I love it?

Yeah, it's been nice. And what is still on your bucket list? Are there any countries that you're just dying to visit?

Oh, so many still. I would love to go to Australia. I really want to go to Japan. I'm really excited I'm finally going to be able to go to Romania after this trip. I've been wanting to do that for a while. Yeah, there's tons. I could go on for a while. Kenya has a co-working space that is supposed to be coming up, but I'm really like I want to go there. Yeah, there's tons of places yet that I want to see. Greece is still on my bucket list. Greece is right next door and I still haven't been.

So I really want to go.

I still want to go there Hungry, all right, I want to go check Republic. Yeah, just tons of places.

Okay, very cool, awesome so can you? I'm ambitious, yeah, but why not? I was just on another interview and the host asked me how my nomad life changed and I slowed down because at first I really felt this pressure of, okay, I need to do everything now because this is my one and only chance. But over the years, over almost five years of nomading, I kind of realized, okay, if I can do this for five years, I can do this for another five years and another five years. There is no rush, I can do this forever if I want and when I started I thought that wasn't really possible. So, yeah, now I have more of that feeling like, oh, if I do this, if I don't do this now, then next time.

Yeah, exactly that's what I told myself, because I was in Bulgaria and I didn't make a degree, so it was right there. It was such a quick trip, but it didn't work out. So yeah, sometimes you just got accepted. Didn't happen this time, but I'll be back in this part of the world at some point.

Yeah, and it's also what you said. Like during the week you're working, you're also writing, so you know like you have a lot going on during the week. How do you balance travel and work? Do you have any, like you did say okay, you go to the same coffee shop often to do to work there with the same order, to have a little bit of structure and routine there, but do you have any other routine that you just take with you?

When I can. My aim is to wake up, have a minute to just be and then go straight into creative work, because I find that my creative time is my strongest creatively in the morning. So I try to get to my usual coffee shop, get my coffee, my breakfast, do a little journaling and then dive into writing my novels or whatever I'm, whatever creative project I'm working on, and I try to keep my creative space separate from my podcast workspace. I find that you can trick your brain into being creative and I've read things about having the same smells, the same if you listen to music, listen to similar music, have the same setup, try to aim for the same time to trigger your brain to think this is my creative time. So that has been something that I've tried really hard to do, even while I'm bouncing around, to try to make one spot where I am doing creative stuff. So I'm not just staring at a cursor and my brain is we're just not going to be creative right now, and I do find that it helps to have that knowledge. That is my creative time. It makes me feel like I'm making the most of my days if I can make sure I fit that in on top of my podcast work.

Yeah that I think that's a great tip or hack. I actually heard someone else say this before, someone else who came on the podcast. I'll link the episode in the show notes. His name is Lauren Ross and he said that how he likes to structure his day ideally is that he does the thing that is the most important to him first. So for him that was working on his mental health, then working on his physical health and then working on his career or financial health. But he said that he wants to do it in that specific order because that is, for him, this order of importance, and I just I don't know why, but I think when I heard that, I was like this makes so much sense, absolutely.

Yeah, can take some notes on that too. Yeah, I like that concept Exactly.

So you're already doing that right. You're doing your creative work when it fits best in, like your hot space, and that also means that you can't urge at the end of the day, say, oh, I'm tired, I cannot write anymore. I finish my work and tired.

Yeah, it's really easy to do for sure, it's really easy to say I'll make time for that later, and then, like you said, you're tired or something comes up and it's a little bit easier for me to let it slip by the wayside if I don't do it first thing.

How do you do that when you're not in Europe? When you're in a different time zone, it's trickier.

But I will usually, because if I am starting work at 8am or 9am I will have to check my inbox first thing. But then I'll try to knock out as much as I can within that first hour and then jump to creative stuff, Because I know that in the morning that is when my brain is going to come up with the most ideas. But it is a lot harder to switch like that. When I'm going from non-creative work to creative work and then switching back. It does take my brain a little longer to catch up. So that's part of the reason I do this time zone a little better for what I'm trying to do with my days. It makes it easier for me to keep a space for creativity and not have to jump tasks like that, because I do find that hooters it.

Yeah, is that also a reason why you are in Europe right now? Do you pick your location also a little bit based on that, or maybe even a lot based on that?

This time a lot based on that, because I just was in this part of the world because I love this area and just wanted to explore. But when I was in Guatemala, I loved Antigua, but I did see that the time zone wasn't doing me any favors with my creative work and I'm definitely not a morning person at all. So there is something nice about knowing that I'm not waking up at eight and then rushing immediately to do things, because I do need some time to catch up with being conscious again. So, that is this part of the world is really nice for that. So I really reiterated that for me when I was in Guatemala that it does make a big difference in my day and how I feel and whether I feel rushed or relaxed in the mornings and that kind of set the tone for my day.

Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely experiencing that now, because before I would, I've always worked with clients in the US, but then I used to work European hours, so just like eight to five, like something like that. So I would wake up, just go I don't know, get ready, go straight to work in my home office, so not really go to work, but get to work, and then the whole day. And then in the morning I was also always behind. At least I felt like I was behind, because I would open my inbox and there was like 40 emails waiting for me, because that's what I missed when the US was still having a work day. So that didn't work out that well. Then I was in more US time zones in Colombia and I was like this is great. I feel like I'm so on top of everything, because when I get an email. I can just, at the end of the day, I can just go through emails, just get rid of like as many as possible of that. So then the next morning there's instead of 40 or three, yeah that makes a huge difference. I was like this is great, I want to keep doing this when I get to Europe. So now I do that and it is honestly really nice. It is really nice. How do you handle Asian time zones, because you also mentioned Thailand, that was before. I was sorry, go ahead, I want to say, or do you not go to Asian time zones for that reason that it's that the time zone is just not so great.

Right now? Yeah, that wouldn't. It wouldn't work out for my time zone because right now I need to be available from eight to nine am to five pm Eastern Standard Time, so that wouldn't work out. When I was living there it was my schedule was more flexible than it wasn't. You have to be available during certain times. It was just due to us at some point before this day, so that was that worked out great. But now that I am linked to an inbox that has the time zone expectations, I can't do Asia while working. I'd have to take vacation to do that at this point. But, yeah, or I would just be up at crazy hours. I should turn this up, yeah.

I've been thinking about that. Is that worth it? So far I was. I mean, some people do it but for myself. So far it's been. Who knows? Yeah, that's fair.

As I've gotten older, I have found that trying to go without sleep gets harder. I could go without sleep during my 20s and it wouldn't phase me in the same way, but now, if I tried to pull these crazy hours that I was, I would just deteriorate it, which wouldn't work. Yeah, I don't think I can bounce back because there's not enough coffee in the world, so just got to stay. Got to stay within reasonable time zones to make it work.

Yeah, I used to work night shifts because I was a bartender and after I quit that I said never again. I just want to work normal hours, like also no weekends anymore, just like I want to work on everyone else's working. So I also said no more night shifts. Yeah, probably no agent.

Yeah, not yet, but we'll see. Maybe things will align and it'll make sense. But yeah. And vacation, like you said. Yeah, there's still a lot of places I want to check out over there. It just will have to be planned a little bit more, yeah.

Yeah, do you already know where you're going after Bandsco?

Yes, I will be in Bucharest, Romania, after this and probably there until I come back to the United States for a family reunion. And after that I'm sure where I'm going. It'll probably be somewhere in Europe. I got that far, but I'm not exactly sure where.

Awesome, very cool. That sounds really good. Can you also share a little bit more about your books, because you didn't mention that? You write every morning and that is a very important part of your life. But can you share more about what you write, what are your novels about, and also, at the end, maybe share where we can find them?

Sure, I think my books are urban fantasy and they're typically young adults. The first series that I wrote it features a girl who discovers she can astral project and she tries to use that ability to find her mother and just they hem and soothes from there. But astral projection is the big theme in that series and that was a lot of fun to write because it was fun to take my own spin on that and develop abilities around that aren't what we typically understand astral projection to be. But that was a lot of fun. And I'm working on a new series now that is set in a completely different story world and it features a protagonist who is half-fay and half-caster but in her world having a magic is forbidden, so she has to hide that part of herself and eventually something comes to light and chaos ensues. And that's my current work in progress. So hopefully that one will be finished within the next few months and off to the editor, and I'm excited for my new story world to be out to the world as well.

Awesome, cool, that is so cool. You just get to create an entire world that people can dive into.

It's a lot of fun to be able to just go ham with that, but also because you have infinite choices, it can be a little like what am I going to do, or how does this magic system work? So it's a fun experience to create worlds and then figure out what makes sense for them and to develop your characters within them. It is a lot of fun and it's something that it's a great way to start my day. I always joke that I've just spent my mornings playing with my imaginary friends, so that makes it sound even cooler, awesome and where can we find the books? All of them are on Amazon. I'm part of Kindle Unlimited, so I'm Amazon exclusive. But yeah, they are on Amazon. The first series is four books, three in the main series and then there's a spin off from one of the other characters perspectives Awesome, and hopefully my next series will be up there soon as well.

Yeah, we'll make sure to link to your what is it called Amazon author page, I think. Yes, okay, we'll link to the Amazon author page and also to your own website, and yeah, so then people can also find the books. I'm really excited. I didn't actually know that it was Kindle Unlimited and I have Kindle Unlimited so I can read your books. Oh, nice, excellent, yeah, so cool, awesome. Kelly, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It was so great to hear your travels, your journey into Nomad life, how you structure your days and how you find time for your creative projects First thing in your day and prioritize that. I think that's super inspiring, yeah, so thank you so much for coming on the show today.

Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you so much for inviting me. It's a lot of fun.

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